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1rastaphrog
Appeals court: Christian can sue Oklahoma over Native American license plate
The 10th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled this week that a Christian man can sue the state of Oklahoma over the state’s license plate depicting a piece of artwork by a famous Native American.
The 2-1 decision issued on Tuesday found that the religious freedom of Keith Cressman, a Christian pastor from the Oklahoma City area, could potentially be violated by the state’s licence plates that depict the "Sacred Rain Arrow" sculpture by the long-deceased Oklahoma artist Allan Houser. Cressman argued that the plates "might imply his approval of contrary beliefs, such as that God and nature are one, that other deities exist, or that ‘animals, plants, rocks, and other natural phenomena" have souls or spirits."
Full story at http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/14/appeals-court-christian-can-sue-oklahoma-o...
The 10th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled this week that a Christian man can sue the state of Oklahoma over the state’s license plate depicting a piece of artwork by a famous Native American.
The 2-1 decision issued on Tuesday found that the religious freedom of Keith Cressman, a Christian pastor from the Oklahoma City area, could potentially be violated by the state’s licence plates that depict the "Sacred Rain Arrow" sculpture by the long-deceased Oklahoma artist Allan Houser. Cressman argued that the plates "might imply his approval of contrary beliefs, such as that God and nature are one, that other deities exist, or that ‘animals, plants, rocks, and other natural phenomena" have souls or spirits."
Full story at http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/14/appeals-court-christian-can-sue-oklahoma-o...
2keristars
Hm.
I wonder if I could get a successful suit for all the plates in Florida that read "In God We Trust" under the official plate iconography of orange blossoms and state outline. You can choose that, your county name, or Sunshine State for that spot, or else pony up for a specialty tag with some other design.
I wonder if I could get a successful suit for all the plates in Florida that read "In God We Trust" under the official plate iconography of orange blossoms and state outline. You can choose that, your county name, or Sunshine State for that spot, or else pony up for a specialty tag with some other design.
3Amtep
#2: I think it makes sense only if it's your own license plate and you can't just pick something else.
By the way I don't understand what "In God we trust" is even supposed to mean. When have Americans ever trusted in God? They certainly don't leave monetary policy to Him.
By the way I don't understand what "In God we trust" is even supposed to mean. When have Americans ever trusted in God? They certainly don't leave monetary policy to Him.
4rastaphrog
#2 Unless you have to pay extra to NOT have IGWT on the plate, probably not. it looks like that's part of why this is being allowed to go forward. It looks like in OK you get that picture on every "regular" plate, but it's not on the specialty plates that cost extra.
5ed.pendragon
Let's hope that when he gets to court they'll find against him and fine him costs. What a tosser!
6keristars
Well, "In God We Trust" is the Florida state motto, which is why it's one of the three options, which always seemed sketchy to me.
7IreneF
From the Wikipedia article on the Great Seal of the State of California:
"A few days after the Symbionese Liberation Army's Hibernia Bank robbery in San Francisco of 15 April 1974, an Associated Press wire photo and caption of the bronze seal on the west steps of the State Capitol showed a detail of Minerva's shield. On the shield appeared the head of Medusa, with seven snakes for hair. The seven-headed cobra, the caption pointed out, was the symbol of the SLA.55 In 1994, after seeing Minerva and Medusa on the bronze seal at the west steps of the State Capitol, Pastor Margo Brown called it "an affront to women and Christian faith." "I was shocked and amazed to see a woman Minerva in a man's uniform," the Sacramento Bee reported her saying, "And there was a picture of Medusa with snakes on her head. I'm very proud of my gender and women need to be portrayed in a better light." She led a crusade at the Capitol to call for a redesign of the seal, but the seal remains unchanged.56"
You couldn't make this stuff up.
"A few days after the Symbionese Liberation Army's Hibernia Bank robbery in San Francisco of 15 April 1974, an Associated Press wire photo and caption of the bronze seal on the west steps of the State Capitol showed a detail of Minerva's shield. On the shield appeared the head of Medusa, with seven snakes for hair. The seven-headed cobra, the caption pointed out, was the symbol of the SLA.55 In 1994, after seeing Minerva and Medusa on the bronze seal at the west steps of the State Capitol, Pastor Margo Brown called it "an affront to women and Christian faith." "I was shocked and amazed to see a woman Minerva in a man's uniform," the Sacramento Bee reported her saying, "And there was a picture of Medusa with snakes on her head. I'm very proud of my gender and women need to be portrayed in a better light." She led a crusade at the Capitol to call for a redesign of the seal, but the seal remains unchanged.56"
You couldn't make this stuff up.
8Nicole_VanK
Right, no doubt we should also rewrite Greek mythology.
9LolaWalser
Actually, there are different (and conflicting) versions of the Medusa myth, and feminist readings have long rehabilitated her from the damage inflicted by Freud (is there anything he didn't ruin for women?)
10Booksloth
I think I may actually have some sympathy for the guy - and not only because he clearly has nothing better to do. When I first read the story my immediate thought was (like Ed) 'What a tosser!' but then I started to wonder how I might feel if I was expected to attach something to my car of the 'In God we Trust' kind; to be honest, I wouldn't be that thrilled; is there anything that ever happens in America that doesn't have to have religion dragged into it?
11VenusofUrbino
>10 Booksloth:: is there anything that ever happens in America that doesn't have to have religion dragged into it?
NO
NO
13jbbarret
Recently I was listening to a discussion between Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins when LK said that it might be better for America if it had an established religion, like the Church of England which most people just ignore and get on with their lives. Rather than the situation in America where all the religious entrepreneurs are competing with their message. RD agreed that he might have a point.
14paradoxosalpha
> 12
Well, maybe it didn't from the perspective of those in the nominal religious majority. But now that we're reaching the point that there is no religious majority, we're stuck with the ubiquitous contention.
Also, it's worth noting that at the same time as rates of professed atheism have increased, rates of actual religious participation in the US have also increased. The case for the latter up to 1990 is made quite persuasively in The Churching of America, and I suspect that the trend has continued.
>13 jbbarret:
Another way of saying the same thing perhaps.
Well, maybe it didn't from the perspective of those in the nominal religious majority. But now that we're reaching the point that there is no religious majority, we're stuck with the ubiquitous contention.
Also, it's worth noting that at the same time as rates of professed atheism have increased, rates of actual religious participation in the US have also increased. The case for the latter up to 1990 is made quite persuasively in The Churching of America, and I suspect that the trend has continued.
>13 jbbarret:
Another way of saying the same thing perhaps.
