Spam reporting thread #42
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Distinguish between the following, and flag the highest level of the violation:
-- Type 1: Irredeemable commercial spam: make sure to flag the member's profile, as well as the spammy activity. This type includes things selling strollers, pharmaceuticals, live-streaming sports games, porn, and/or trying to create traffic/links to sites for such things. Sufficient profile flags will automatically result in temporary suspension and deletion of the member's activity, so use your profile-flagging powers wisely and carefully.
-- Type 2: Teachable moments: DO NOT flag the member's profile, but DO flag the violating activity (e.g. self-promotional Talk post, group, or local venue). This type includes promotional activity that violates the Terms of Service (TOS), but where the member is potentially redeemable, e.g. overzealous authors, overzealous publishers, or other members with small TOS violations but who are otherwise using the site legitimately. These cases should be reported to staff (by sending a message or email to staff and/or or posting on this thread), so the member can be taught how to use the site.
-- Overzealous authors or publishers (these fall under type 2): do NOT flag the member's profile. Report to staff here or privately. You can also send the member a polite message pointing them to the terms, mentioning the "no promoting" language, and pointing them to the Do's and Don't page for authors: http://www.librarything.com/about_authors.php
-- Suspected sock-puppetry to promote a book, write fake reviews, and/or stack ratings: do not flag the profile, but report to staff here or by message, so staff can investigate. This is a serious violation for which members can be permanently banned.
-- Profile flags for commercial spammers only (type 1): On the member's profile page, click on the "report for spam" link, then follow instructions to flag the member. Again, this is only for commercial spam, not for "overzealous" authors, publishers, or booksellers, which should be reported to staff instead. See Talk post: http://www.librarything.com/topic/85810
-- Spam or promotional posts in a Talk topic (type 1 or 2): flag the post as an abuse of the terms of service.
-- Spam or promotional groups (types 1 and 2): flag new groups using the "flag this group" link.
-- Spam lists: report in this thread, and flag the member if it's commercial spam.
-- Spam works (type 1 spam): flag the work as spam on the work's editions page, and then vote on proposed work spam. Make sure to read the guidelines before proposing or voting, especially for what is not spam. Voting page: http://www.librarything.com/spam_works.php
-- Spam in a review (type 1), or an explicitly promotional review (type 2): flag the review as an abuse of the TOS, using the red flag.
-- Spam or promotion in "published reviews," or other CK fields (type 1 or 2): post here and/or delete.
-- Spam or egregious promotion/advertising in venues or events (type 1 or 2): post here and/or delete. Note that authors are permitted to add events for their books.
-- Spam in book links / quick links: post here and/or edit to remove spam.
-- Spam author names listed on a work: No current procedure. Tim has asked us not to change CK to indicate spammers, and not to combine spam authors together.
-- Not sure if it's spam? Post here, and explain why.
Please note that Tim has asked us not to use either CK or the combining system (whether works or authors) for spam fighting.
For more information see these wiki pages:
Procedures for flagging and reporting spam: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Spam#Procedures_for_flagging_and_repo...
Spam works, guidelines for flagging and voting: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/HelpThing:Spam_works
(A copy of these guidelines, for pasting in new threads, can be found here or at the top of previous threads.)
6:54 Currently 21 Topics.
6:56 Over 30
Over 40 and coming faster than I can flag.
Twenty spam posts in some language and character set I don't understand but clearly a promotion for some website called 660box.com
And is still going......
ETA: S/He was warned yesterday by lilithcat
tons of threads in Book Talk now
Hopefully http://www.librarything.com/profile/FvRbVg will be flagged into submission. I've flagged all the posts, but I'm the only flag on many of them.
ETA: I just don't have the energy. I've already fought enough fires today to last for a while.
Hopefully someone else besides you and I shows up...
ETA: It takes four flags (far as I can tell, that works for the profile too).
P.S. I flagged a few over half of them then got 'This User Removed as Spam' which keeps us from flagging them into non-existence.
ETA: Huh. Never mind. All gone. Thank you, mysterious cleaner upper.
The profile that posted it is a spam profile.
I think I'll stop posting these "keep an eye on" ones. Guns seem to get jumped. He hadn't actually done anything yet.
ETA: I see he has been told about the proper way for authors to use LT.
No, I didn't list or flag the profile but he does bear watching.
As you say, not the brightest.
ETA: Even though the one Korean spam by this account is gone, that profile should still be flagged (or else it will just wake up in a bit, and start over).
9 posts before halting. I've changed tactics and went to the profile first to flag it.
Both profiles are now gone.
I've changed tactics and went to the profile first to flag it.
That's what I've been doing. I think with so many spam posts, in so short a time, flagging the profile gets rid of them more quickly than trying to keep up with the posts.
It could probably be worded much better, but that's the general idea.
A different site I used to use had what the owner called "system trust." Once you were an established member of the site, i.e. gained the system's trust, you had no restrictions (which of course already included everyone who was active when it was put in place), but until you had established yourself as a legit member of the community (here, that would essentially be adding books, and posting in Talk w/o receiving flags) you were only allowed basic access to things.
A draconian fix for what is a temporary problem (Korean bots) is almost certainly not the right solution. Still, I'd like to see something that would help.
I do note that LT already seems to have something of the sort (re: system trust), here, on this list. There are many people (that are long time posters) who post spam topic/spam profile posts, and I usually flag the post first, and then look to see if the topic's still there. If it's someone that I don't usually see post such things, I look at the topic first (often it's already gone).
That would probably be better termed "group trust" than "system trust" but it's still there.
Can someone leave a comment for him?
Forcing people who come here to post book queries to wait 24 hrs is going to drive off more people than it invites.
I'd worry about that more if I ever saw any of those "I'm looking for a book" people return to the site.
Also, there are n00bs who legit join and want to post a hello or ask how to do something, and if they had to wait 24 hours to do so, well, it's rather unwelcoming behavior.
>90 Mr.Durick: It's fine just to flag the member. I like to flag one or two messages, too, because it makes it easier for others to see that others are flagging. We don't get that feedback on the profile.
Gone. That was fast.
On normal spam (and it really hurts to type such a thing), I flag the topic (or group) first, and then the profile, and then post them here. There may be something automated going on in the background that helps with the 660 bot; I wouldn't want to depend on it for the other stuff.
I'm sure that we won't hear commentary from staff on this, on the premise that not discussing specifics is best.
It is still alive. It has been two hours since. What's wrong with it?
P.S. I think.
ETA: I'm sure that this won't be the end of it tonight.
Yeah, but we don't.
ETA: Oh, good work guys! Gone even as I typed.
ETA: I note that this one is posting more slowly than usual. It's probably just a new strategy to see how long the individual entries stay up,
Oh, yes. A 24 hour wait before posting, or something.
I also don't understand what they think they are accomplishing with so many duplicate ads, in Korean. How many LTers even read the language and how many are anywhere near the casinos they are advertising?
Surprised this one is still up, as the posts are beginning to disappear.
Author spam. (Reference only http://www.librarything.com/profile/Brenda.Winters)
ETA: Whoa. Thanks, invisible staff person. All gone. XXOO
This one still needs more flags https://www.librarything.com/profile/vfrxds87
And many similar posts by the same poster
You cannot tag a group or profile pic as spam. The group creator can change the primary image, or any group member can upload a new image and that will become the primary image.