1Constantinopolitan
I acquired this copy of The Holkham Bible a few years ago. It came without a case and a commentary volume. It has 82 pages of reproduction text but no full page illustrated plates.
I would have thought that the pictures had been removed, and in the centre there seems to be signs of rubbing or removal. However looking at the spine/headband it doesn't seem as though a substantial number of pages are missing (even supposing all the plates were together).
I have never seen another copy so any thoughts from owners of the Holkham Bible on how this book could have been issued, or amended, in this condition would be welcome.
The cover
First page
Double page spread
Final page
Top of spine/headband
Centre of the book showing some rubbing or pages removed
I would have thought that the pictures had been removed, and in the centre there seems to be signs of rubbing or removal. However looking at the spine/headband it doesn't seem as though a substantial number of pages are missing (even supposing all the plates were together).
I have never seen another copy so any thoughts from owners of the Holkham Bible on how this book could have been issued, or amended, in this condition would be welcome.
The cover
First page
Double page spread
Final page
Top of spine/headband
Centre of the book showing some rubbing or pages removed
3wcarter
>1 Constantinopolitan:
Your pictures are not visible to me either.
There are two volumes in the solander case, a facsimile and a commentary volume.
The facsimile has 84 full page colour plates that reproduce the original manuscript, but no other text, no introduction, no index etc. There is a colophon page at the back of the volume.
It is quarter bound in dark blue leather with leather corners and front cover label.
It sounds as though you have this facsimile volume alone.
The original brochure for the Holkham Bible can be found in the Limited Editions section of the FSD wiki here.
Your pictures are not visible to me either.
There are two volumes in the solander case, a facsimile and a commentary volume.
The facsimile has 84 full page colour plates that reproduce the original manuscript, but no other text, no introduction, no index etc. There is a colophon page at the back of the volume.
It is quarter bound in dark blue leather with leather corners and front cover label.
It sounds as though you have this facsimile volume alone.
The original brochure for the Holkham Bible can be found in the Limited Editions section of the FSD wiki here.
4HuxleyTheCat
>1 Constantinopolitan: I can't see the photos either, but if I may speculate...
On occasions at the dMR I have seen mock-ups of LEs which have been produced during the design stage; it seems from your description that this Holkham Bible may be one of these. With the various caveat emptor sales which Folio has engaged in recently, it would be no surprise to me if some of these items had been released into the wild.
On occasions at the dMR I have seen mock-ups of LEs which have been produced during the design stage; it seems from your description that this Holkham Bible may be one of these. With the various caveat emptor sales which Folio has engaged in recently, it would be no surprise to me if some of these items had been released into the wild.
5folio_books
>4 HuxleyTheCat:
A pleasure to see you posting again. I was bewailing your loss to cronshaw only a couple of days ago.
A pleasure to see you posting again. I was bewailing your loss to cronshaw only a couple of days ago.
7Constantinopolitan
I hope the pictures are visible now.
>4 HuxleyTheCat: That sounds like a very plausible suggestion Fiona.
>3 wcarter: As you can hopefully see the binding corresponds to the wiki, but the contents...
>4 HuxleyTheCat: That sounds like a very plausible suggestion Fiona.
>3 wcarter: As you can hopefully see the binding corresponds to the wiki, but the contents...
8Jayked
In the genuine article, text and illustrations are not on separate pages; there are usually 4 or 5 fades lines of text above each illustration. The scale of the writing is much smaller, less than half the size of yours, lacks the clarity, definition and ornamentation of yours. Whatever, you have, it's not the Holkham Bible. Perhaps a translation from the Latin will help to identify the text. From what's visible it's clearly addressed to God in praise of him.
One extract seems to be from Psalm 135 (Firstborn of Egypt etc) so this is likely a collection of psalms.
Edited to add final sentence
One extract seems to be from Psalm 135 (Firstborn of Egypt etc) so this is likely a collection of psalms.
Edited to add final sentence
9scholasticus
I'll check when I get home, but I highly suspect you've been given bits and bobs of the Luttrell Psalter.
First page: Ps 118/119:131: Os meum aperui et adtraxi... (I opened my mouth and sighed...)
Double page spread (from the illuminated P): Ps 118/119: 161 -- Principes persecuti sunt me gratis... (Princes have persecuted me without cause...)
Final page, from the illuminated C: looks to be an introit based on Ps 97/98: Cantate Domino gloriose enim magnificatus est... (Sing to the Lord: indeed, You are gloriously magnificent...)
Bonus: Nope! Not Ps 97/98. It's based on Exodus 15, AKA the Song of Miriam, which she sang once God closed the Red Sea over the Egyptian army. It's definitely an introit, though. Before someone asks, cantate means "y'all sing!" whereas cantemus in Exodus 15 means "Let us sing".
Centre of the book (top left): Ps 134/135:6 ...fecit in caelo et in terra in mare et in omnibus abyssis. (...he (God) does in heaven and earth and the sea, and in all deeps.)
First page: Ps 118/119:131: Os meum aperui et adtraxi... (I opened my mouth and sighed...)
Double page spread (from the illuminated P): Ps 118/119: 161 -- Principes persecuti sunt me gratis... (Princes have persecuted me without cause...)
Final page, from the illuminated C: looks to be an introit based on Ps 97/98: Cantate Domino gloriose enim magnificatus est... (Sing to the Lord: indeed, You are gloriously magnificent...)
Bonus: Nope! Not Ps 97/98. It's based on Exodus 15, AKA the Song of Miriam, which she sang once God closed the Red Sea over the Egyptian army. It's definitely an introit, though. Before someone asks, cantate means "y'all sing!" whereas cantemus in Exodus 15 means "Let us sing".
Centre of the book (top left): Ps 134/135:6 ...fecit in caelo et in terra in mare et in omnibus abyssis. (...he (God) does in heaven and earth and the sea, and in all deeps.)
10folio_books
>9 scholasticus:
It's at times like these when I truly appreciate having a Latin scholar among us. Authoritative!
It's at times like these when I truly appreciate having a Latin scholar among us. Authoritative!
11wcarter
In the pictures it looks as though you have a mock up for the Holkham Bible using left over pages from the Luttrell Psalter. A very weird volume indeed!
12joco30
It could have been made just to get an idea for what the binding would look like for the Holkham Bible.
I've seen that once with a book from Moleiro. They didn't had the pages printed yet, but they wanted to show how the book would look like, so they made a binding with multiple times the same quire.
This is how the FS Holkham Bible should look like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19l6TGnLVg8
I've seen that once with a book from Moleiro. They didn't had the pages printed yet, but they wanted to show how the book would look like, so they made a binding with multiple times the same quire.
This is how the FS Holkham Bible should look like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19l6TGnLVg8
13Constantinopolitan
>8 Jayked: >9 scholasticus: >10 folio_books: >11 wcarter: >12 joco30:
Thanks for all the very helpful suggestions and comments.
>9 scholasticus: The Latin translations are much appreciated. It seems to be certain then that the contents are from the Luttrell Psalter?
>12 joco30: That's an excellent resource you've linked to. I've subscribed to the channel and will enjoy looking at some of the other facsimiles. I didn't know about Moleiro - another thanks- https://www.moleiro.com/en/facsimile-books.htm
Thanks for all the very helpful suggestions and comments.
>9 scholasticus: The Latin translations are much appreciated. It seems to be certain then that the contents are from the Luttrell Psalter?
>12 joco30: That's an excellent resource you've linked to. I've subscribed to the channel and will enjoy looking at some of the other facsimiles. I didn't know about Moleiro - another thanks- https://www.moleiro.com/en/facsimile-books.htm
14scholasticus
>13 Constantinopolitan:
Yes, I confirmed this is the Luttrell Psalter. I highly suspect >12 joco30: is right: you seem to have acquired a "dummy copy" that was made simply to show how the binding would look.
I can tell from looking at the pages that they were cut to size to fit the Holkham book.
Yes, I confirmed this is the Luttrell Psalter. I highly suspect >12 joco30: is right: you seem to have acquired a "dummy copy" that was made simply to show how the binding would look.
I can tell from looking at the pages that they were cut to size to fit the Holkham book.
15ranbarnes
If anyone is interested, it's up on ebay at the moment:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Folio-Society-The-Holkham-Bible-Luttrell-Psalter-a-st...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Folio-Society-The-Holkham-Bible-Luttrell-Psalter-a-st...
