HORATIO, LORD NELSON

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HORATIO, LORD NELSON

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1agamemnon Primeira Mensagem
Out 18, 2006, 12:42 pm

Hi everyone I have just joined your lovely group. My special interest is the age of sail, the Georgian navy and Nelson in particular as you will see from my (only partly catalogued) library! Apart from his Lordship, though, I am a huge fan of Jane Austen, I think Emma has to be my top favourite but I love them all. The 18th is full of fascinating characters and history. Oh, and it is English rather than British history which most attracts!!

2aarti
Out 20, 2006, 12:24 pm

I am like you, agamemnon, in that I love Georgian and Regency era history the most. I've just finished Stella Tillyard's book on the Lennox sisters, Aristocrats. And I re-watched the movie made from the book, too :-) I think it's a fascinating time in history, just on the cusp of the Industrial Revolution and at the time when the class system was getting ready to topple.

3waiting4morning
Out 21, 2006, 9:17 pm

I've heard that Patrick O'Brien's books are good naval adventures set in this time. What do you think of them?

4aarti
Out 23, 2006, 10:08 am

I haven't read any of those, actually. But I know his are very popular, as are Bernard Cornwell's books on the army at around the same time, featuring Sharpe.

5knitsnspins
Nov 5, 2006, 1:02 pm

I have read the first Patrick O'Brien book, Master and Commander, and kept waiting for something to happen, throughout the whole book! I was disappointed. I don't know if I'll try the second, perhaps it does get better.

6homeschoolmom Primeira Mensagem
Nov 28, 2006, 2:26 am

My neighbor was just discussing Patrick O'Brien's books and how wonderful they are. I was going to look into getting the first one to read, but now I'm wondering if I should? I would have to buy it as we are overseas and our library is quite small. Maybe they could get a copy for me, I'll have to look into that!

7homeschoolmom
Nov 28, 2006, 2:37 am

Hello all, I have just joined your group also. Looking forward to many wonderful discussions!! I have just started cataloging my books, so it will be awhile before they're all online. Love Jane Austen, I have Emma on my list next to read.

8aarti
Nov 28, 2006, 11:33 pm

Enjoy Emma! It's a good one :-) Though it's been a while since I've read it, I must admit. I would hope my feelings for the book wouldn't change! Don't you hate when you reread a book you read a long time ago, ready to be enthralled once more, but then the magic just isn't there?

9varielle
Jul 16, 2007, 2:59 pm

Back to Lord Nelson, were his dying last words, "And what will become of poor Mrs. Hamilton?" or was it something more military and politically correct? Also, there was talk a few years ago of melting down or relocating some of the 19th century statues of imperialists that were scattered around London and have fallen from fashion. Even a real hero like Lord Nelson was threatened. Whatever became of that?

10myshelves
Jul 16, 2007, 3:56 pm

#9
Officially, I thought his last words were "I thank God I have done my duty." Some less resounding words, asking for a drink and the like, have also been reported. As I recall, he left Emma to the nation in his will.

Melt down Nelson's column?
And the lions, I suppose? Imperialist? Good ghod! What next? How about Eros? Another imperialist?

11Pepys
Editado: Jul 23, 2007, 6:00 am

#9 & 10

The Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable reports at the entry Kiss me, Hardy that these famous words, often used facetiously, were uttered by the dying Lord Nelson when taking leave of his flag captain, Thomas Masterman Hardy (1769–1839). (...) They were preceded by the request, 'Take care of poor Lady Hamilton.' According to some, the words actually spoken by Nelson were 'Kismet, Hardy', i.e. 'Fate, Hardy'. In another place in the same dictionary, Nelson is reported to have said 'I thank God I have done my duty' before uttering 'Kiss me, Hardy'. So both #9 and #10 are right...

This is also fully discussed in Trafalgar: An Eyewitness History where it is stated that this is more or less what Nelson said to Hardy before he withdrew. But Nelson still spoke afterwards with Mr Chevalier, his steward—a Frenchman? Horror!—and Dr Scott. He repeated his concern about Lady Hamilton's and Horatia's future, and again: 'Thank God, I have done my duty'.

Edited PS: Try http://ezinearticles.com/?Nelsons-Last-Words:-Kiss-Me,-Hardy-or-Kismet,-Hardy?&a... for a detailed discussion...