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1fannyprice
Mar 12, 2008, 9:51 am

I see that there are a couple groups for I's? Are there any other E's out there?

2christiguc
Mar 12, 2008, 12:12 pm

You're not alone. :) I'm ENFP.

3vpfluke
Mar 12, 2008, 1:02 pm

I'm an ENTP, but there are many fewer E's than I's in LT. I'm only mildly extroverted, though, and will take my own counsel on a bunch of things.

4beatles1964
Mar 12, 2008, 1:04 pm

Yea I'm an ENFP.

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5fannyprice
Mar 12, 2008, 1:15 pm

>3 vpfluke:, How do you know you're "mildly extroverted", vpfluke - when we took the tests, we were just told "oh you're this type" but other people I know do talk about it terms of being "strongly E" or "not strongly T", etc. Did your test also phrase it in terms of inclinations, rather than absolutes? I am beginning to doubt my tester, after talking to so many people on LT about this. :)

6jjwilson61
Mar 12, 2008, 1:43 pm

Many of the tests do tell you how many questions you answered on the E side vs. the I side. It also happens that people have taken the tests multiple times and if you are weak on a letter then sometimes you will test out the other way. There are some on-line tests on the group page, you could try taking some of those.

7Eurydice
Mar 12, 2008, 5:37 pm

I'm borderline E - capable of E behavior and functioning, but also deeply in need of solitude and quiet. My tests, online, come out very nearly 50-50, and both ENFP and INFP descriptions suit me. Yet the I is slightly stronger; it is the one I cannot starve, if I must choose.

8jjwilson61
Mar 12, 2008, 6:42 pm

I'm INTP but borderline N/S since I'm not good with details but I'm not good with the big picture either. I'm also boderline P/J. I always follow directions when putting something together and I like to plan out my visits to a foreign city. But I also struggle to stay organized in my day to day life and would much rather strike out on new things than wrap up the details of the old one.

9vpfluke
Mar 12, 2008, 10:35 pm

#5
I was given scores. My wife and I took the test with a professional about 21 years ago, prior to marrying. I'm an extreme P, and she is also a P, but not extreme. Hence, our messy house, but we can't correct (counterbalance) each other's problems in this area.

10jjwilson61
Mar 13, 2008, 10:39 am

So do you get the unpleasant task of cleaning just because you're not as P as she is? My wife and I are the same way and we ended up getting maid service since I was getting frustrated trying to get her to do her fair share.

11vpfluke
Mar 13, 2008, 11:51 am

#10

I'm a worse P than she is. So, we both share away.

12peteslibrarything
Abr 21, 2008, 6:05 am

G'day. Howzitgoin?

Rampant ESFP here and I'm also a librarian.

13vpfluke
Editado: Abr 23, 2008, 1:29 pm

Welcome to the group. By rampant, are you strong for each of the letters? My P is very strong, as well as T. I'm ususally intuitive, but I can gear up and go strong on the sensate side, when my job requires it.

14peteslibrarything
Abr 24, 2008, 9:23 am

Fairly high on E, S and P when I fist did the MBTI about 15 years ago. Less so on the F. Although, as an over 50, I've spent a bit of time developing my other functions in various ways. So, ESFP is my comfort zone, but I don't always live there. My work is mostly strategic type stuff which is not hard because I've been working at it for a while now.

I'm not that interested in the indicator as such these days. I think most of the statisitcal stuff on it is fairly unimpressive and self referential. For me, the model works experientially. That's all I need to know. How SP is that?

I'm more interested in the ways and means of developing the other type functions and exploring the other spaces. The stuff by the Hartzlers. Linda Berens self discovery process (with temperament and interaction styles) is an interesting way of doing that, too. More of an emphasis on context than the traditional MBTI stuff. NLP also provides an interesting set of tools beyond type for these explorations, too.

15vpfluke
Abr 24, 2008, 9:46 am

In the last five years, except for this group, I have given more thought and experience to the Enneagram, which is a 9-part division, rather than the MBTI's 16-part division. So, you sometimes get hash collisions (which some LTers talk about vis-a-vis the combining effort in their libraries) when you try to merge the two.

16peteslibrarything
Abr 24, 2008, 10:56 am

Yeah, the enneagram is interesting, too.

I find it useful more as a model of the states that I cycle through than as a personality model. Although, it has certainly helped me to understand the key drives underlying some behaviours of people that I have contact with, and thus helped me to determine my response to their behaviours.

While, I see the mbti as mostly about identifying my habitual internal processes, I see the enneagram is more about identifying my habitual internal states. What i like about NLP is the use of various methods to change and/or develop them, i.e. my internal processes and my internal states, and the behaviours that result from both.

17varielle
Maio 27, 2008, 10:12 am

ESFP here.

18lynnmc
Jun 28, 2008, 5:25 pm

Hi, I'm an ENFP but borderline "E". I'm going to check out the Enneagram.

19lynnmc
Jun 28, 2008, 6:08 pm

Turns out I'm a 7 on the Enneagram. Interesting! Do most of you find that the MBTI and Enneagram are compatible or not as far as accurately describing your traits?

20vpfluke
Jun 29, 2008, 12:29 am

I am a 5 on the Enneagram. I am more extraverted than most 5's. But, I'm only a slight E. In 1997 I moved from Indianapolis to Long Island (New York City area). New York is more extraverted than Indy, so I proabably appear more introverted nowadays.

As an ENTP, the charts that try to correspond MBTI and Enneagram, usually put me as 7, rather than a 5. My negative (Enneagram) arrow goes to the 7, which means I can fritter away time. And my working job is in scheduling which 7's are supposed to be accomplished at (i.e. planning).

MBTI is based on opposites, so is kind of a "duple" system (to use a music meter metaphor), but Enneagram is based more on a three-part division (head, heart, gut) with its nine types, three subtypes, etc. (so it is triple meter). Duple meter is 2/4 or 4/4 (like two-step, foxtrot, maybe tango) Triple meter is minuet or waltz. If this makes any sense.

21lynnmc
Jun 29, 2008, 10:55 am

Love the music metaphor!

What is your favourite site and/or book about Enneagram? I'd like to do more research.

I'm not sure I agree about MBTI being based on opposites. Myers Briggs book Gifts Differing is my preference over Please Understand Me by David Keirsey. They say very different things when it comes to Mating and Temperment for instance. Keirsey definitely talks about opposites, i.e. if you are an ENFP - your ideal mate would be ISTJ. Ridiculous! Myers Briggs on the other hand talks about how important it is to have two N's or two S's for greater compatability as they tend to understand or come to conclusions in the same way. This is not to say that N's and S's can't be a couple/friends. Just that it makes it more difficult. She also says that it's good for a relationship to have a P and J difference - one learns to get things done and the other one learns to play more. I think this approach makes much more sense. Thoughts?

22vpfluke
Jun 30, 2008, 12:01 am

I think the standard book on the Enneagram is by Helen Palmer, The Enneagram: Understanding Yourself and the Others in Your Life . Books by Don Riso and Richard Rohr are also good. A good reference book is The Enneagram Made Easy, but this is not a good first book to read.

I agree that one should not have a mate that is a total opposite. I took a class in which we were all paired with as total an opposite as possible, and everyone agreed that it was quite difficult to carry on a convrsation about most things when you have nothing in common.

I am an ENTP and my wife is an INFP, so you can imagine that we aren't quick to get things done.

23lynnmc
Jun 30, 2008, 12:11 am

Thanks for the info.

24Tigercrane
Jun 30, 2008, 2:15 am

Hi. ENTJ here. What is the Enneagram about? I've heard of it, but I've obviously been mistaken about what it is because I thought it had something to do with Scientology.

25vpfluke
Jun 30, 2008, 1:39 pm

The Enneagram has nothing to do with Scientology. Aspects of the Enneagram have a basis in the thought of Gurdjieff, which may have some Sufi background. These philosophies see the Enneagram as a process, which can also be represented in dance.

The more current Enneagram is a system of personality types developed by a Bolivean/Chilean originally Catholic (Oscar Ichazo) some 50 years ago, and furthered by many in the U.S. There are nine basic types (ennea is nine in Greek). 2-3-4 are heart centered types, 5-6-7 are head centered types, 8-9-1 are gut centered types.
2 - Helper/giver
3 - Performer/achiever
4 - Romantic idealist/artist
5 - Observer/thinker
6 - Loyalist/skeptic/questioner
7 - Epicure/optimist/generalist
8 - Boss/asserter/leader
9 - Mediator/peacemaker
1 - Perfectionist/reformer

I won't go into the math as to how the numbers fall out.

26BallyMan
Set 18, 2008, 9:00 pm

ENTP librarian... they just didn't know what to think of that.

27Kamile
Dez 10, 2009, 11:44 pm

I'm an ENTJ, too. The Enneagram is another typing system, independent of Myers-Briggs.

28lbradf
Jan 5, 2010, 10:57 am

I'm an ENFP, but sometimes test out as an ENTP. N and P scores are quite strong and consistent with a "typical" ENFP. However, some of my E and F scores are quite atypical of an ENFP. I got these results from the Meyer-Briggs Type Indicator II, given to me as part of a college course. I recommend that level of testing if you can get it. It gave our individual scores on the various dimensions that make up the E-I, S-N, T-F, and J-P designations. It also showed our scores on those dimensions in relation to the range of scores for most, in my case, ENFP's. In this way, I was able to understand why some parts of the ENFP description sound just like me--my score on those dimensions were very consistent with the ENFP average. Even more enlightening, I also was able to see why some parts of the description didn't sound like me at all. For example, even though my scores combined to designate me as an E, there were a couple of dimensions where my scores would have made me an I and thus, in those aspects, I am more like an INFP than an ENFP.

29DennisKFehr
Jul 18, 2016, 10:13 pm

ENTP - The book "please understand me 2" dr kiersy, is a great reference guide in the personality temperaments