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Fifth Elephant por Terry Pratchett
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Fifth Elephant (original 1999; edição 1999)

por Terry Pratchett, Josh (cover) Kirby (Ilustrador)

Séries: Discworld: City Watch (5), Discworld (24)

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Sam Vimes is a man on the run. Yesterday he was a duke, a chief of police and the ambassador to the mysterious fat-rich country of Uberwald. Now he has nothing but his native wit and the gloomy trousers of Uncle Vanya (don't ask). It's snowing. It's freezing. And if he can't make it through the forest to civilisation there's going to be a terrible war. But there are monsters on his trail. They're bright. They're fast. They're werewolves--and they're catching up. Sam Vimes is out of time, out of luck, and already out of breath...… (mais)
Membro:Sam.Wray
Título:Fifth Elephant
Autores:Terry Pratchett
Outros autores:Josh (cover) Kirby (Ilustrador)
Informação:Doubleday Uk (1999), Edition: 1st British, Hardcover, 289 pages
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So this is diplomacy. It’s like lying, only to a better class of people.

More than most of the Guards series (or Discworld in general), [b:The Fifth Elephant|63720|The Fifth Elephant (Discworld, #24; City Watch, #5)|Terry Pratchett|https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1327961702s/63720.jpg|819126] is driven by a strong plot rather than leaning on characters and jokes. It's actually a nice change from many of the other books, although I do like both styles.

This time around, The Patrician is sending Vimes and his wife off as ambassadors to Uberwald--land of Dwarves, werewolves, and vampires. In an overall reading, this would be just after [b:Carpe Jugulum|34541|Carpe Jugulum (Discworld #23; Witches #6)|Terry Pratchett|https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1388895900s/34541.jpg|1494234], but since I'm reading series by series, it's been a while. Uberwald is still interesting though. And a nice contrast to the Ankh-Morpork of the last few books.

Mostly, it's a book about Vimes--who continues to be a wonderful combination of grumpy and overly straight forward; just the sort of 'ambassador' that makes the more traditional ambassadors nervous. We also get some interesting scenes with Angua going back to her werewolf family roots (in Uberwald) and Carrot dealing with the fallout of that.

There are a few interesting ideas in the book, mostly related to the nature of long lived things / traditions:

“You did something because it had always been done, and the explanation was, ‘But we’ve always done it this way.’ A million dead people can’t have been wrong, can they?”

And a more Discworld way of looking at the Ship of Theseus.

“This, milord, is my family's axe. We have owned it for almost nine hundred years, see. Of course, sometimes it needed a new blade. And sometimes it has required a new handle, new designs on the metalwork, a little refreshing of the ornamentation . . . but is this not the nine hundred-year-old axe of my family? And because it has changed gently over time, it is still a pretty good axe, y'know. Pretty good.”

It's definitely a different sort of book than the early Discworld books--much more serious and darker--and we're drawing to the end of the subseries (3 left: [b:Night Watch|47989|Night Watch (Discworld, #29; City Watch, #6)|Terry Pratchett|https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1320518310s/47989.jpg|1712283], [b:Thud!|62530|Thud! (Discworld, #34; City Watch #7)|Terry Pratchett|https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1320495268s/62530.jpg|819104], and [b:Snuff|8785374|Snuff (Discworld, #39; City Watch #8)|Terry Pratchett|https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1302694636s/8785374.jpg|13659124]). I'm curious where it will go next.
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  jpv0 | Jul 21, 2021 |
Sir Samuel Vimes, head of the Night Watch, becomes a diplomat and manages to thwart an attempt to undermine a king's coronation. Not enough Captain Carrot in this one. ( )
  skipstern | Jul 11, 2021 |
The COMPETENCE OF THIS ONE. Everyone doing their best is just delightful... finally Sybil is at the height of her powers instead of just like quietly pining after her husband. Vimes being so bad at diplomacy that he's good at it actually. Angua doing her own damn thing and Carrot not being perfect. Just every part was kiss kiss kiss kiss. We love to see it. My one complaint is more Vetinari but we know how I am and where I'm at. Great job everyone, we love to see it. Also help, I'm running out of Watch books. ( )
  aijmiller | Feb 9, 2021 |
Another favorite - Terry Pratchett ( )
  lynnbyrdcpa | Dec 7, 2020 |
Now this one I think has a little for everyone. No Rincewind this time, but there are Dwarves, Trolls, Vampires, Werewolves, humans, and the random talking dog. It's the time of the crowning of the Low King and Ankh-Morpork needs to send a representative to the crowning. Who better suited than Commander Vimes or is that Duke Vimes? The question is, will he survive what ������berwald has in store for him? And while the cats away, will Ankh-Morpork stay afloat with the friendly, but woefully incompetent Colon in charge? ( )
  Ravenwood1984 | Oct 13, 2020 |
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Trying to summarize the plot of a Pratchett novel is like describing "Hamlet" as a play about a troubled guy with an Oedipus complex and a murderous uncle. Pratchett isn't Shakespeare -- for one thing, he's funnier -- but his books are richly textured, as the pundits say, and far more complex than they appear at first. You don't have to be familiar with folklore, Leonardo da Vinci and Capability Brown, the history of religion, "Macbeth" and Laurel and Hardy to appreciate them, but if you aren't, you will miss some of the in-jokes. Just consider yourself grabbed by the collar, with me shouting, "You've got to read this book!"
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Sam Vimes could parallel process. Most husbands can. They learn to follow their own line of thought while at the same time listening to what their wives say. And the listening is important, because at any time they could be challenged and must be ready to quote the last sentence in full. A vital additional skill is being able to scan the dialogue for telltale phrases such as "and they can deliver it tomorrow" or "so I've invited them for dinner?" or "they can do it in blue, really quite cheaply."
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Sam Vimes is a man on the run. Yesterday he was a duke, a chief of police and the ambassador to the mysterious fat-rich country of Uberwald. Now he has nothing but his native wit and the gloomy trousers of Uncle Vanya (don't ask). It's snowing. It's freezing. And if he can't make it through the forest to civilisation there's going to be a terrible war. But there are monsters on his trail. They're bright. They're fast. They're werewolves--and they're catching up. Sam Vimes is out of time, out of luck, and already out of breath...

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