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The Incrementalists por Steven Brust
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The Incrementalists (edição 2013)

por Steven Brust (Autor), Skyler White (Autor)

Séries: Incrementalists (Book 1)

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"The Incrementalists--a secret society of two hundred people with an unbroken lineage reaching back forty thousand years. They cheat death, share lives and memories, and communicate with one another across nations, races, and time. They have an epic history, an almost magical memory, and a very modest mission: to make the world better, just a little bit at a time. Their ongoing argument about how to do this is older than most of their individual memories. Phil, whose personality has stayed stable through more incarnations than anyone else's, has loved Celeste--and argued with her--for most of the last four hundred years. But now Celeste, recently dead, embittered, and very unstable, has changed the rules--not incrementally, and not for the better. Now the heart of the group must gather in Las Vegas to save the Incrementalists, and maybe the world"--… (mais)
Membro:KittyCunningham
Título:The Incrementalists
Autores:Steven Brust (Autor)
Outros autores:Skyler White (Autor)
Informação:Tor Books (2013), Edition: 1st, 304 pages
Colecções:Audiobooks, A sua biblioteca, Read
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An interesting premise for a group of people who live effectively forever while integrating new bodies every lifetime, but the story didn't live up to the idea. Felt like someone had read about Memory Palaces and decided to write a book around the idea. Also, several of the relationships were written declaratively rather than descriptively -- "telling-not-showing" -- which made the emotional relationships read as superficial and unmotivated.

Too bad: I have generally liked Steven Brust's work. ( )
  qBaz | May 28, 2021 |
I am not a fan of love at first sight stories. "I've been in love with this woman for centuries. she's been dead for 2 months and I am all about YOU, baby." is a harder for me to suspend my disbelief about than the magic stuff.
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Edit after listening again: This is a love story. ( )
  KittyCunningham | Apr 26, 2021 |
Overall, I wasn't wowed by this. I think I may go back & listen again later - the narrators were good, but the story wasn't what I was expecting, so that may have colored my impression of it. Maybe I'm too pedestrian in my tastes, but when I read a summary about new inductees into an ancient secret society, I expect the traditional Harry Potter structure, and that's what this book was missing for me. The story of the Incrementalists' crisis was okay, but I didn't care that much because I didn't really feel like I knew who the Incrementalists were. It's basically Harry Potter without Hogwarts. ( )
  jlweiss | Apr 23, 2021 |
The Incrementalists has a killer premise and a rave from John Scalzi on the cover, so I was understandably impatient to read it as soon as it came out. The book focuses on the members of a secret society that uses psychological manipulation to make small changes that hopefully have larger effects on the course of human history. This “meddling” is all in the name of making the world a “better than good” place. These Incrementalists, as they call themselves, have the benefit of several millennia of stored memories and history guiding them in their work. In fact, a large part of what makes their group work so well are the methods they use to pass down memories and maintain continuity over time.

All Incrementalists have a shared mental space they refer to as “The Garden”, where every member has an imaginary home of their own, used to store or “seed” memories, data and the psychological triggers required for mental manipulations. This combined with their ability to pass on memories and personalities from dead to new members makes them a formidable force when necessary. However, subtlety is the watchword for Incrementalists, and ethical considerations are always an important driver for every choice they make. Brust and White pepper in this world-building throughout, and although it does occasionally get a bit metaphysical, it’s easily the most interesting part of the book.

However, the meat of the story focuses on two Incrementalists in particular, Phil and Ren. Phil is the oldest continuous Incrementalist. Becoming an Incrementalist means being implanted with the memories and personality or “stub” of a deceased former member. When this happens, the two personalities vie for dominance. In Phil’s case, his personality has come out on top for longer than any other member of the group, which gives him seniority without necessarily making him infallible. Ren is a new recruit that Phil brings into the fold to replace the late Celeste, Phil’s tempestuous sometimes partner and former lover.

Ren is wide-eyed and ambitious, and surprisingly eager to join a strange cabal of semi-immortal meddlers, so it isn’t long before the recruitment process finishes and Ren finds herself implanted with Celeste’s stub. Naturally, that is when the shit hits the fan. Somehow the process doesn’t go through correctly, and instead of coming out the other end with all of Celeste’s history at her command, Ren has a hard time remembering who the hell this Celeste is everyone keeps ranting about. When the other Incrementalists start looking into the problem, they discover hidden sabotage and go into full-on panic mode. Accusations, manipulation, and attempted murder all come into play, and the group finds itself at a loss for the solution.

However, this is where the premise began unraveling for me. When I picked up the book, I had certain expectations that I’d be reading about a society of people spending their time manipulating the world around them. In practice, however, it turns out that most of the meddling involves nothing more than convincing Ren’s boss to put off a conference call so that she can stay focused on Incrementalist matters. Ren does meddle with a cocktail waitress at one point, but it doesn’t amount to anything of note. Other than that, the Incrementalists spend most of their time dealing with a storyline that feels like nothing so much as metaphysical office politics. It’s a bit hard to care about a possibly corrupt secret society that does little more than manipulate its own members.

Then, of course, there’s the romance storyline. Shortly after Phil and Ren meet, they are in love. Part of it is the latent memory of Celeste influencing them both, but that doesn’t excuse the fact that it feels like the characters go from strangers to passionate lovers in no time flat. It doesn’t help that I never really got much of a sense of either character as a person; they both felt a bit underdeveloped. Instead of feeling like a release or a rush of emotion, the romance scenes played more like passion by default.

Ultimately, although I found the premise intriguing, the plot wasn’t all that compelling. It is possible that my audiobook listening habits were part of the problem, however. I just haven’t been making time for audiobooks recently, so I listened in fits and starts over the course of a month. On the other hand, if the book had grabbed me, I’m sure I would have made more time to listen. ( )
  unsquare | Feb 16, 2021 |
Good book from front to back. The last sentence is a bit 50's scifi but that's ok. The author earned it! ( )
  frfeni | Jan 31, 2021 |
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[...] the collaboration with White is extremely fruitful: the authors trade off writing from different points-of-view within chapters, providing a glimpse of the godhead-like group mind of the Incrementalists themselves.
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Nome do autorPapelTipo de autorObra?Estado
Brust, Stevenautor principaltodas as ediçõesconfirmado
White, Skylerautor principaltodas as ediçõesconfirmado
Base Art Co.Designer da capaautor secundárioalgumas ediçõesconfirmado
Kowal, Mary RobinetteNarradorautor secundárioalgumas ediçõesconfirmado
Porter, RayNarradorautor secundárioalgumas ediçõesconfirmado

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"The Incrementalists--a secret society of two hundred people with an unbroken lineage reaching back forty thousand years. They cheat death, share lives and memories, and communicate with one another across nations, races, and time. They have an epic history, an almost magical memory, and a very modest mission: to make the world better, just a little bit at a time. Their ongoing argument about how to do this is older than most of their individual memories. Phil, whose personality has stayed stable through more incarnations than anyone else's, has loved Celeste--and argued with her--for most of the last four hundred years. But now Celeste, recently dead, embittered, and very unstable, has changed the rules--not incrementally, and not for the better. Now the heart of the group must gather in Las Vegas to save the Incrementalists, and maybe the world"--

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