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Letters from a Stoic

por Lucius Annaeus Seneca, the Younger

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HarperCollins is proud to present its incredible range of best-loved, essential classics. No man can live a happy life, or even a supportable life, without the study of wisdom Lucius Annaeus Seneca (4 BC-AD 65) is one of the most famous Roman philosophers. Instrumental in guiding the Roman Empire under emperor Nero, Seneca influenced him from a young age with his Stoic principles. Later in life, he wrote Epistulae Morales ad Lucilium, or Letters from a Stoic, detailing these principles in full. Seneca's letters read like a diary, or a handbook of philosophical meditations. Often beginning with observations on daily life, the letters focus on many traditional themes of Stoic philosophy, such as the contempt of death, the value of friendship and virtue as the supreme good. Using Gummere's translation from the early twentieth century, this selection of Seneca's letters shows his belief in the austere, ethical ideals of Stoicism - teachings we can still learn from today. Competition: Discourses and Selected Writings;The Republic;Meditations. Cicero;Cornutus;Marcus Aurelius;Epictetus;Plato.… (mais)
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Lyrical, poetic, easy flowing story of a woman's life in Iran during one of it's most turbulent times. But it falls very short. She is almost an observer, if even that, of what was really going on. Her husband is active in the efforts to get nuclear arms banned, but even with that cause she mostly views his activity as time away from her. Even when she is challenged on the street because a little of her hair is showing, it seems to be brushed over when friends manage to talk her way out of the situation. A situation that could easily have gotten very serious. Three stars for the writing. Two stars for the story.
1 vote mysterymax | Dec 4, 2023 |
While there were a lot of points that I disagreed with, for the most part there were lots of insights that I will try taking with me. There were a couple funny letters, I liked letter 88 when he was just clowning Liberal Arts lol. A couple of my other favorites were 90, 65, and 78. The introduction was also very interesting it’s funny how he preached all these stoic values but didn’t practice it. He definitely led a really crazy life with lots of ups and downs. It is interesting to see how people wrote to each other back then, and how his writing changed over time. It is interesting how much he quoted Epicurious in his earlier letters and how he changed it views to be that one should not just spout quotes. ( )
  Radar12378 | Nov 30, 2023 |
This is my first foray into Greek philosophy as an adult. Bits of Stoic philosophy seem absorbed into modern culture, so few of the adages and admonitions are "brand new" to me. The human faults he addresses at length, mostly to do with excess and lack of self control, are as relevant today as they were two thousand years ago. Buckle up, Seneca has strong opinions on just about every facet of the human experience.

Much of the first few letters discusses becoming happy with oneself, to the point of needing nothing else, riches or home or possessions or companionship. This is more or less tempered by the contention that you should want friends and family, and riches only in proportion as is needed to service those people and the public good, but that you should be equally comfortable with none of it.

Probably the single most relatable anecdote is Seneca's complaint that people prepared for Saturnalia earlier each year such that December "used to be a month but is now a year". Halloween, Christmas, anyone?

Here I also found my new favorite Diogenes anecdote: Upon observing a child drinking from a stream with his hands, Diogenes immediately his cup and chastises himself for foolishly carrying around extra luggage.

A few segments that stood out to me:

- In Letter LXIII (probably the best to me,) Seneca discusses the death of a friend. He gives some admonition that one should not grieve overlong because it's basically done to prove to ourselves or others that we loved the deceased, and that we'll stop grieving when it's "convenient" anyway. This is probably a massive oversimplification of grief in the modern day, but I'm sympathetic to it. Commenting on one who has no other friends he calls this self-injury: "[fortune] has deprived us of a single friend but we have deprived ourselves of every friend we have failed to make."
- Letter LIV: Talking about the fear of death, Seneca asserts that the time before one is born is more or less equivalent: "If there is any torment [after I die], there must also have been torment in the period before we saw the light of day."
- In Letter LVI Seneca discusses occasionally working above the din of a bath house rather than in seclusion, and amongst this I mostly enjoy some commentary about how an anxious person's mind will be more (or merely differently) anxious during the supposed "peaceful stillness" of night.
- In letter CXXIII he addresses the distortive and destructive impact of vice and how it pushes our limits and expectations further as we indulge. He discusses the idea that absurd vices infect society because "... our lives are guided by the example of others; instead of being set to rights by reason we're seduced by convention". Things that we wouldn't consider doing or owning if only a few people did them are seen as reasonable once they are ubiquitous. He gives some hilarious examples that are analogous to today's status-signal luxuries. Here too he addresses the need to stay away from people who indulge to excess or make mischievous, gossipy or otherwise destructive talk, as "once such talk has made its entry and been allowed inside, it becomes a good deal bolder."

Seneca rails at length about the supremacy of philosophy over all other fields of endeavor. He arbitrarily demarcates where prose is overly flowery (or 'effeminate') or where technology is too advanced to be good. This is actually pretty relatable, but it's hard to draw much value from it. He quotes the contemporary and wildly popular Virgil liberally and mostly refrains from chiding the poet for any literary excess while knocking down Gaius Maecenas, whose writing at least as translated here seems pretty natural. I'm sympathetic to his points, but this gets kind of old.

If you find your interest waning in the latter half of the collection, consider skipping ahead a bit, as some of the most substantial letters are the last few.

The Penguin Classics edition has an excellent biographical introduction to Seneca and useful footnotes. I wish I hadn't known that Seneca was fabulously wealthy before reading and had instead learned it afterwards, as I think my reading was a bit tainted by that. It's a little harder to buy the commentary about how noble it is to "do without" when the person telling you so is one of the richest people in the Roman empire.

There's a bunch of other random thoughts I have based on context but this review is already overlong. A lot of the commentary will at this point seem like "fluff" to most, but I take the (short) piece for what it is, enjoy what it offers that is novel to me and ignore the sillier bits. ( )
1 vote bozun | Aug 22, 2023 |
I've deeply disliked modern philosophy. To me, it feels like the field comes up with theories about human life, happiness, behavior, ideals, but then brazenly refuses to put any of it to the test. It prefers the beauty of an idea to the reality of its implementation. It's kind of like fantasy-writing except the authors pretend it's an actual field of study instead of acknowledging what they're doing is just a fun mental exercise.

In the meantime, I've felt like there was something missing from human understanding. There's no one out there trying to create a philosophy and live it, see how it works in the real-world, modify it, and improve it. This field is absent from human life, even though, to me, it feels like this would be the most important thing humans could do.

This collection of letters is that missing field in action. These letters were only intended for 1 person (Lucilius), so there's a deep level of intimacy to them. We don't see Seneca as the public figure, but Seneca as the man, trying to live the good life, putting his ideals to the test every day as best he can, faltering along the way and being upfront about the faltering. Throughout, he tries to emphasize that philosophy-- all of this -- is only useful if it improves life.

He does go on random esoteric rants about abstract ideas (as all philosophers ultimately do) but that's not the core of these letters -- there is a small amount of intellectual debate between 2 people (where, unfortunately, we only get 1 side), but it's mostly "how are you, here's how I'm doing, here are some of the things I'm facing/have faced and here's how it interconnects to this philosophy I'm practicing".

What's also weird is how extremely apropos almost all of his advice is to our modern lives. Not just in a "timeless ideal" sense -- he complains about how noisy it is to have an apartment in the city, how sometimes we like to pretend to be too busy to respond to messages, he even complains about shops setting up for Christmas (Saturnalia) earlier and earlier every year! It really makes him feel relatable to me and my own world, which is why I think it also strikes such a strong chord with me.

It's also just so refreshing to see a person trying to merge their intellectual ideals with their real-life self, and exchanging tips and tricks to help do that, but also not getting lost in the abstract, and not beating themselves up too much when they slip up. I feel like I'm trying to do the same in my life, and reading these letters makes me feel like I'm not the only one doing that. I feel personally supported by this guy from 2000 years ago in a way I don't feel in the modern world.

I've never more desperately wanted to meet a person from history and sit and have a beer with them.
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  nimishg | Apr 12, 2023 |
Read the first 25 of the 125 “letters.” Some good advice in there I’m sure, but nothing that captivated me or seemed very different from other stoic/epicurean type writing I’ve seen over the years in bits and pieces.
  steve02476 | Jan 3, 2023 |
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HarperCollins is proud to present its incredible range of best-loved, essential classics. No man can live a happy life, or even a supportable life, without the study of wisdom Lucius Annaeus Seneca (4 BC-AD 65) is one of the most famous Roman philosophers. Instrumental in guiding the Roman Empire under emperor Nero, Seneca influenced him from a young age with his Stoic principles. Later in life, he wrote Epistulae Morales ad Lucilium, or Letters from a Stoic, detailing these principles in full. Seneca's letters read like a diary, or a handbook of philosophical meditations. Often beginning with observations on daily life, the letters focus on many traditional themes of Stoic philosophy, such as the contempt of death, the value of friendship and virtue as the supreme good. Using Gummere's translation from the early twentieth century, this selection of Seneca's letters shows his belief in the austere, ethical ideals of Stoicism - teachings we can still learn from today. Competition: Discourses and Selected Writings;The Republic;Meditations. Cicero;Cornutus;Marcus Aurelius;Epictetus;Plato.

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