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There There (2018)

por Tommy Orange

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Twelve Native Americans came to the Big Oakland Powwow for different reasons. Jacquie Red Feather is newly sober and trying to make it back to the family she left behind in shame. Dene Oxendene is pulling his life together after his uncle's death and has come to work the powwow and to honor his uncle's memory. Edwin Frank has come to find his true father. Bobby Big Medicine has come to drum the Grand Entry. Opal Viola Victoria Bear Shield has come to watch her nephew Orvil Red Feather. Orvil has taught himself Indian dance through YouTube videos, and he has come to the powwow to dance in public for the very first time. Tony Loneman is a young Native American boy whose future seems destined to be as bleak as his past, and he has come to the Powwow with darker intentions -- intentions that will destroy the lives of everyone in his path… (mais)
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When I started this book, I thought that instead of a novel, it was a series of short stories that might have some link that would be revealed as I got deeper into it. It took a few chapters to see that the characters’ stories were related in ways — by blood or circumstance — that came more into focus, all moving toward one event — The Big Oakland Powwow — that would irrevocably change many lives. From the arresting prologue to the violent and abrupt (to me) end, Tommy Orange engaged me with his crisp writing, exposing some problems facing Native Americans, in this case, Urban Indians, as he calls them. ( )
  bschweiger | Feb 4, 2024 |
There, There is portrays the lives of several "Urban Indians" living in
Oakland CA. They are all associated with an upcoming powwow at the Oakland Coliseum. Ultimately we see that their lives are intertwined in ways even they are unaware of. The ending a horrific but somewhat hopeful and beautifully written, like a dream.

I wasn't sure I liked the book at first. Each character was presented separately so I had forgotten about them by the time they came up again. But by the last 100+ pages you know them and have maybe begrudgingly developed some empathy for them. They are all deeply flawed, broken people. It is a sad story. ( )
  technodiabla | Feb 3, 2024 |
This one takes a little bit of effort but it's worth it in the end.

It's sad and it has a lot of characters (that I wish I was more careful about remembering in the beginning) but it all ties together by the end at the Big Oakland Powwow. I like to read books about people who have a completely different life experience than I do and this certainly fits that bill.

It makes me feel bad that I know so little about Native American history/culture and how I have spent virtually no time at all in my life thinking about how native people experience present day America. This books has a compelling plot but mostly I feel like its purpose is to shine a light on how we are so good at ignoring the origins and aftermath of the white man coming to America.

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  hmonkeyreads | Jan 25, 2024 |
Touching and authentic-seeming. But an endintso confusing, I need to reread it to be sure what happened to whom. ( )
  Treebeard_404 | Jan 23, 2024 |
Read this for my book club.

Beginning seemed quite promising - urban indians, insights from characters trying to understand their roots and challenges in the modern world. Good writing but the middle chapters were choppy, lots of strained vignettes, hard to remember connections. The final third of the book with its short chapters and one seemingly common action was pointless. I remember not even feeling depressed because the whole thing seemed inane. I would not recommend this to a friend and I don't understand how this got such high ratings.

To quote another reviewer: I suspect the subject makes the readers too forgiving here. As if admitting you didnt like a book about the modern Native American struggle would mean you don't care about the subject either. PS: Really not a great time to be reading a book that culminates in senseless violence.

One bit of tech trivia: 3D printed guns are unreliable; The plastic droplets are not reliably placed so accuracy and tolerances are poor - nothing like a properly manufactured gun. 3D printed guns break apart quickly and may fail with their first bullet. In the book, every such gun works flawlessly and repeatedly. I understand the author has no direct experience with 3D printed guns but it stands in remarkable contrast to his appropriate descriptions of limits of other technology - for example, the capabilities (such as very short battery life) of consumer-grade drones. ( )
  donwon | Jan 22, 2024 |
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Characters here do not notice connections that might offer meaning even though they tell endless details. For those of us who may want literature to confirm human journeys, (or even reject them), this is boring stuff.
 
There There signals an exciting new era for Native American fiction. Orange lends a critical voice that at once denudes the reality of cultural genocide while evoking a glimmer of encouragement.
 
The network of characters in There There proves dizzying, but the multivocal nature of the book is a purposeful, intelligent strategy. It offers a glimpse of an interconnected life, a world in which small stones don’t just sink to the bottom of the sea but change tides.
adicionada por ScattershotSteph | editarThe Times Literary Supplement, Katharine Coldiron (sítio Web pago) (Oct 30, 2018)
 
This is a trim and powerful book, a careful exploration of identity and meaning in a world that makes it hard to define either.
adicionada por ScattershotSteph | editarVox, Constance Grady (Jul 2, 2018)
 
The idea of unsettlement and ambiguity, of being caught between two worlds, of living a life that is disfigured by loss and the memory of loss, but also by confusion, distraction and unease, impels some of the characters, and allows the sound of the brain on fire to become dense with dissonance. Orange’s characters are, however, also nourished by the ordinary possibilities of the present, by common desires and feelings. This mixture gives their experience, when it is put under pressure, depth and a sort of richness.
adicionada por ScattershotSteph | editarThe New York Times Book Review, Colm Toibin (sítio Web pago) (Jun 19, 2018)
 

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Nome do autorPapelTipo de autorObra?Estado
Orange, Tommyautor principaltodas as ediçõesconfirmado
Comrie, TylerDesigner da capaautor secundárioalgumas ediçõesconfirmado
Cuervo, AlmaNarradorautor secundárioalgumas ediçõesconfirmado
Dean, SuzanneDesigner da capaautor secundárioalgumas ediçõesconfirmado
Dennis, DarrellNarradorautor secundárioalgumas ediçõesconfirmado
Garcia, KylaNarradorautor secundárioalgumas ediçõesconfirmado
Huisman, JettyTradutorautor secundárioalgumas ediçõesconfirmado
Pappas, Cassandra J.Designerautor secundárioalgumas ediçõesconfirmado
Perrott, BrynArtista da capaautor secundárioalgumas ediçõesconfirmado
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Plenty of us are urban now. If not because we live in cities, then because we live on the internet. Inside the high-rise of multiple browser windows. They used to call us sidewalk Indians. Called us citified, superficial, inauthentic, cultureless refugees, apples. An apple is red on the outside and white on the inside. But what we are is what our ancestors did. How they survived. We are the memories we don’t remember, which live in us, which we feel, which make us sing and dance and pray the way we do, feelings from memories that flare and bloom unexpectedly in our lives like blood through a blanket from a wound made by a bullet fired by a man shooting us in the back for our hair, for our heads, for a bounty, or just to get rid of us.
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Twelve Native Americans came to the Big Oakland Powwow for different reasons. Jacquie Red Feather is newly sober and trying to make it back to the family she left behind in shame. Dene Oxendene is pulling his life together after his uncle's death and has come to work the powwow and to honor his uncle's memory. Edwin Frank has come to find his true father. Bobby Big Medicine has come to drum the Grand Entry. Opal Viola Victoria Bear Shield has come to watch her nephew Orvil Red Feather. Orvil has taught himself Indian dance through YouTube videos, and he has come to the powwow to dance in public for the very first time. Tony Loneman is a young Native American boy whose future seems destined to be as bleak as his past, and he has come to the Powwow with darker intentions -- intentions that will destroy the lives of everyone in his path

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