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Where Men Win Glory: The Odyssey of Pat Tillman (2009)

por Jon Krakauer

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Irrepressible individualist and iconoclast Pat Tillman walked away from his $3.6 million NFL contract in May 2002 to enlist in the United States Army. Deeply troubled by 9/11, he felt a strong moral obligation to join the fight against al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Two years later, he died on a desolate hillside in Afghanistan. Though obvious to most on the scene that a ranger in Tillman's own platoon had fired the fatal shots, the Army aggressively maneuvered to keep this information from Tillman's family and the American public for five weeks following his death, while President Bush repeatedly invoked Tillman's name to promote his administration's foreign policy. Biographer Krakauer draws on his journals and letters, interviews with his wife and friends, conversations with the soldiers who served alongside him, and extensive research in Afghanistan to render this driven, complex, and uncommonly compelling figure as well as the definitive account of the events and actions that led to his death.--From publisher description.… (mais)
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Excellent book about the Bush administration and the army's lies and mishandling of the facts in the Iraq war in general, and Pat Tillman's death specifically. ( )
  SteveCarl | Jun 24, 2024 |
Pat Tillman was an up and coming star of the Arizona Cardinals in the NFL. Pat was very moved when September 11 occurred. He and his brother, Kevin joined the army because they felt it was the right thing to do. At one point, Pat could have gotten out of the army and gone back to the NFL, but Pat honored his comittment and stayed in. In April 2004, Pat was killed by friendly fire, shot by a member of his own company. His mother persisted in finding the truth about how Pat died, which was at first covered up. ( )
  dara85 | May 30, 2023 |
Of all the books I've read by Krakauer, this one is definitely my least favorite. And it's very hard to convey why without revealing key parts of the book!

Where Men Win Glory is the story of Pat Tillman, an NFL football player who gives up a lucrative contract to fight the war in Afghanistan. While serving his country, Tillman is killed. This book weaves together what is essentially a biography of Tillman with a history of the war in Afghanistan (and some of the war with Iraq thrown in for good measure).

The story of Pat Tillman, the man, is pretty fascinating. As you might expect, he is a different type of character, and his motivations and underlying intelligence captivated me. His story alone was worth three stars for the book. He was not this totally "all good" hero, but his character was very impressive, and you couldn't help but admire him.However, the main thrust of the book is focused on the fact that Pat Tillman died by virtue of friendly fire. While I'm sure to Tillman's family, the circumstances of his death were very important. And Krakauer does make the case that the Army initially attempted to cover up those circumstances. However, somehow, as a reader, I was really left with the impression that Krakauer was making a mountain out of a molehill.

The real terrible tragedy was that Tillman was dead. A leader and excellent human being lost to the world.

The fact that there are many deaths at war from friendly fire is also a big story that is only touched on briefly. An in depth documentary on those deaths and how they could be prevented would be an interesting angle for a book. But this book focuses on the single narrow incident that Tillman's death by friendly fire was not shared far and wide and that then, the Army brass responsible for the cover up was not adequately chastised for either the resulting death nor the cover-up. It reads like a giant conspiracy theory, and the story is not balanced.

The reality is that the Army was trying to make Tillman, in death as in life, appear like the hero he was. Is that such a huge crime? They gave him the Silver Star and the Purple Heart - - which he would not normally get under the circumstances of his death. Was that right? Probably not. Was that so horrible? In the context of Tillman's belief system, it probably was, but I don't think the Army had that "insider knowledge" of Tillman. They thought he was heroic by just giving up everything he had to be in the army . . .and they didn't want to let that image die. Was it merely a PR stunt? Possibly, but I don't think Krakauer delved deeply enough AT ALL into the Army's motivations . . .he just made assumptions by virtue of their actions, but I felt like I could have written a totally different thesis and supported it with the same facts.


So, this book reads like an in depth 60 Minutes piece, but at the end, the focus on the handling of one man's death in a war was not really worthwhile reading.

But I appreciated that en route, I learned a lot about the war on terror and also had an appreciation for the strength and honor of a standout participant in that war, Pat Tillman. ( )
1 vote Anita_Pomerantz | Mar 23, 2023 |
The true story of American Pat Tillman who made it to the NFL and then gave it all up to fight for his country. He wasn’t the flag waving, god fearing jock I expected and Krakauer (once again) explains what happened in a concise thorough way. ( )
  DonJuanLibrary | Mar 9, 2023 |
This book is one of the most difficult books I’ve ever read. From the horrendous bungling (& subsequent lies to the public) in the Iraqi War to the intentional cover-up about Pat Tillman’s death by friendly fire, it’s almost impossible to have any faith left whatsoever in the US military. The myopic decision to go to war in Iraq mirrors the faulty & egotistical optimism of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine so much you’d think Putin followed US conduct in Iraq like a grotesque manuscript—let’s send our young scared soldiers into a country we have no place being and make excuses for their tragic failures. All of this was at the cost of attention to the war in Afghanistan, which is referred now in some quarters as the “war on the cheap.” Pat Tillman lost his life for all these reasons, and the military did its utmost best to keep it quiet. Not a book for the faint of heart.

Krakauer demonstrates again the utmost necessity of investigative journalism. He’s one of our best and I’m so grateful for his existence, tenacity, bravery (he spent months on the front lines in Afghanistan), and sheer audacity (much like Tillman’s mother, whose unending attempts to uncover the truth) to take on the highest levels of our military. If you want to understand the recent history of foreign powers in Afghanistan, this will add immensely to your knowledge. It is dated because Osama Bin Laden hadn’t been assassinated yet, but that is irrelevant to this narrative for the most part. ( )
  KarenMonsen | Apr 24, 2022 |
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Mr. Krakauer cobbled together his book in a spirit of desperation. Though he set out in search of Mr. Tillman’s whole story, he didn’t find what he was looking for.
 
There is a master’s hand evident in this particular depiction of events in a life that will end too soon, meticulously built of pieces carefully chiseled from recent international history, political intrigue, first-hand reporting, thoughtful reading, and a feel for what is most human. The author, like his subject, purposefully strides out on his great battlefield too.
 
Those who have spent time in the military and have seen it struggle not just with war but with everyday barracks life tend to err on the side of incompetence, while those who never have -- such as Krakauer -- tend to suspect conspiracy.
adicionada por Shortride | editarThe Washington Post, Andrew Exum (Sep 13, 2009)
 
The best-selling author Jon Krakauer has now told the full story in “Where Men Win Glory.” The combination of Krakauer and Tillman seems hard to resist: Krakauer is a masterly writer and reporter; “Into Thin Air,” his account of a disastrous climbing expedition on Mount Everest, is as riveting and harrowing a book as I’ve ever read. With Tillman, you would think he’d have all he needed to fashion an epic narrative. Unfortunately, he fails to pull it off.
 
Krakauer -- whose forensic studies of the Emersonian Man in books such as "Into Thin Air" and 'Into the Wild" yield so much insight -- has turned in a beautiful bit of reporting, documenting Tillman's life with journals and interviews with those close to him.
adicionada por Shortride | editarLos Angeles Times, Dan Neil (Sep 11, 2009)
 
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Irrepressible individualist and iconoclast Pat Tillman walked away from his $3.6 million NFL contract in May 2002 to enlist in the United States Army. Deeply troubled by 9/11, he felt a strong moral obligation to join the fight against al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Two years later, he died on a desolate hillside in Afghanistan. Though obvious to most on the scene that a ranger in Tillman's own platoon had fired the fatal shots, the Army aggressively maneuvered to keep this information from Tillman's family and the American public for five weeks following his death, while President Bush repeatedly invoked Tillman's name to promote his administration's foreign policy. Biographer Krakauer draws on his journals and letters, interviews with his wife and friends, conversations with the soldiers who served alongside him, and extensive research in Afghanistan to render this driven, complex, and uncommonly compelling figure as well as the definitive account of the events and actions that led to his death.--From publisher description.

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